AND COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING TWO ON THE UW BOARD OF REGENTS.

IN OTHER BUSINESS, EVERS ONCE AGAINST URGING THE LEGISLATURE TO RELEASE $15 MILLION TO HELP SUPPORT HEALTHCARE WITH THE COMING CLOSURE OF HOSPITALS IN EAU CLAIRE AND CHIPPEWA FALLS, CLOSURES THE WISCONSIN HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION CALLS UNTHINKABLE, BUT PART OF FEARED RESULTS FROM STAFF SHORTAGES AND FINANCIAL PRESSURES.

JUST OUT WITH ITS 2024 WISCONSIN HEALTHCARE WORKFORCE REPORT, WHICH DESCRIBES A CRITICAL CONDITION.

ANN ZENK FROM THE WISCONSIN HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION JOINS US NOW.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> SO IN WHAT HOSPITAL POSITIONS ARE THE SHORTAGES MOST ACUTE?

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST IMPACT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LARGE PART OF OUR WORKFORCE, IS THE REGISTERED NURSE SHORTAGE.

>> AND SO WHAT HAPPENS FOR THE DAY-TO-DAYCARE OF PATIENTS WHEN A HOSPITAL IS SHORT OF THOSE NURSES?

>> FOR NURSING, REGISTERED NURSES CAN FILL LOTS OF ROLES ON HEALTHCARE TEAMS.

SO A SHORTAGE LEAVES LOTS OF GAPS.

THAT MIGHT MEAN STAFF WORKING IN ROLES BESIDES THE ONES THEY NORMALLY DO.

IT MIGHT MEAN THEY HAVE TO WORK IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

THEY'RE CERTAINLY BEING ASKED TO WORK EXTRA SHIFTS OR DIFFERENT SHIFTS.

ECT PATIENT CARE?

RIGHT?

BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN DO TO FILL, BUT WHAT ABOUT PATIENT CARE?

>> YEP.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS IN HOSPITALS, IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE PATIENTS GET THE CARE THEY úNEED, BUT WHEN THERE ARE STAFF SHORTAGES OR INTERRUPTIONS IN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, PATIENTS WAIT LONGER, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO TRAVEL FARTHER FOR CARE, THEY MIGHT EVEN END UP COMING TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.

>> WHY HASN'T THE STAFFING SITUATION RIGHTED ITSELF FOLLOWING COVID?

>> THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS.

I'D SAY THE PREDOMINANT ONE, AND UNFORTUNATELY ONE THAT WE REALLY CAN'T INFLUENCE MUCH, IS WHAT WE CALL THE SILVER TSUNAMI, THE SURGES OF RETIREMENT AS BABY BOOMERS AGE.

THAT'S A BIG GENERATION.

THE OTHER ISSUE FOR HEALTHCARE IS THAT NOT ONLY IS OUR AVAILABLE WORKFORCE SHRINKING BUT HEALTHCARE DEMAND IS ESCALATING.

SO AS FAR AS THAT SILVER TSUNAMI, AS YOU REFERRED TO IT, HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT PROGRAMS PRODUCING A SCHOOL OF NURSING PIPELINE AND CAREER ADVANCEMENT CAN KEEP PACE WITH THOSE RETIREMENTS?

OME OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE NOW REALLY CRANKING UP.

>> YEP.

FOR SHORTER-TERM CREDENTIALS, THOSE FRONTLINE TECHNICAL POSITIONS THAT TAKE A YEAR OR TWO TO ACHIEVE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLOSE THOSE GAPS.

FOR LONGER-TERM CREDENTIALS LIKE NURSES AND PHYSICIANS, WE JUST CAN'T KEEP PACE WITH THE INCREASED HEALTHCARE DEMAND AND THERE'S LOTS OF BABY BOOM NURSES FROM THE '70s AND '80s WHO ARE NOW GOING TO RETIRE.

SO IT'S KIND OF UNLIKELY THAT OUR WORKFORCE CAN GROW FAST ENOUGH.

>> YOU SPOKE TO THIS AS WELL, BUT ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING IN A STATE, WISCONSIN, THAT'S RANKED AS HAVING AN OLDER POPULATION, AND SO THIS OLDER POPULATION NEEDS MORE CARE, FURTHER SQUEEZING THIS WHOLE SITUATION.

>> CORRECT.

WHAT WE'RE ALSO SEEING IN HOSPITALS AND HEALTH SYSTEMS IS A PAIR SHIFT.

THE INSURANCE PATIENTS HAVE, THEIR PAYER IS CHANGING.

AS WE ANA AGE, WE SHIFT FROM PRE INSURANCE TO MEDICARE AND SOMETIMES AS OUR RESOURCE SHRINK, EVEN TO MEDICAID, AND WE KNOW THAT MEDICARE AND MEDICAID RATES DON'T COVER THE FULL COST OF CARE.

>> SO THIS IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE.

OF COURSE IT'S ACUTELY FELT RIGHT NOW IN KIND OF THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE STATE WITH THE CLOSURE OF 19 CLINICS AND TWO HOSPITALS, ONE IN EAU CLAIRE, ONE IN CHIPPEWA FALLS.

TO THE CLOSURE OF THOSE FACILITIES?

>> WELL, YOU SAID IT.

UNTHINKABLE.

RIGHT?

BUT IT'S ALSO A SIGNAL OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN HOSPITALS, NOT JUST IN WISCONSIN, BUT ACROSS THE STATE.

GS.

IT'S WORKFORCE SHORTAGES, INCREASED LABOR COSTS, INCREASED SUPPLY COSTS, BUT WHEN YOU REACH THAT BREAKING POINT OR THE COMBINATION OF FACTORS, IS WHEN YOUR VOLUMES START TO SHIFT, WHEN YOU HAVE FEWER INPATIENTS TO TAKE CARE OF, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING LESS REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE YOUR SERVICES YOU CAN OFFER ARE SHRINKING.

THAT CAN BE THE BREAKING POINT FOR HOSPITAL CLOSURE, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING IT IN SERVICE CLOSURES ACROSS THE STATE.

>> SO VERY, VERY BRIEFLY, YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE SIGNS OF HOPE.

>> YES.

ABSOLUTELY.

HOSPITALS ARE HAVING TO RELY LESS ON TEMPORARY AGENCY STAFF, STAFF THAT LEFT DURING THE PANDEMIC ARE COMING BACK.

WE'RE SEEING THAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

WE'RE ALSO SEEING FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC ENROLLMENTS INCREASE IN HEALTHCARE PROGRAMS, AND THAT'S AWESOME.

>> WE'LL BE LOOKING TO NEXT YEAR'S REPORT TO SEE THE SIGNS YEAR'S REPORT TO SEE THE SIGNS