
COPA Head Andrea Kersten on Fatal CPD Shooting
Clip: 4/9/2024 | 7m 13sVideo has Closed Captions
COPA released video of the March 21, 2024, shooting that left Dexter Reed dead.
The Civilian Office of Police Accountability, the oversight agency in charge of investigating police misconduct, said Dexter Reed shot first. But community activists are calling for an independent investigation.
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COPA Head Andrea Kersten on Fatal CPD Shooting
Clip: 4/9/2024 | 7m 13sVideo has Closed Captions
The Civilian Office of Police Accountability, the oversight agency in charge of investigating police misconduct, said Dexter Reed shot first. But community activists are calling for an independent investigation.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> NOW, AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, MAYOR JOHNSON IS URGING CALM AFTER VIDEO RELEASED TODAY SHOWING CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS FIRING 96 TIMES.
A 26 YEAR-OLD EXTRA READ WHO WAS PULLED OVER FOR NOT WEARING HIS SEATBELT ON MARCH.
21ST IN THE HUMBOLDT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THAT IS THE OVERSIGHT AGENCY IN CHARGE OF INVESTIGATING POLICE MISCONDUCT SAYS REID SHOT FIRST BUT COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS ARE CALLING FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY UNDERCOVER OFFICERS PULLED THE MAN OVER FOR SEAT BELT VIOLATION AND WHAT LED TO THE EXCHANGE OF GUNFIRE THAT LEFT DEXTER RE DEAD AND AN OFFICER WOUNDED.
JOINING US NOW IS ANDREA KIRSTEN CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR CHICAGO'S CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
WALK US THROUGH, IF YOU WOULD, THE EVENTS OF MARCH, 21ST.
SO AS HAS BEEN DEXTER REID WAS AS THE SOLE OCCUPANT OF HIS VEHICLE.
>> ON APPROXIMATELY THE 3800 BLOCK OF WEST FERDINAND A TACTICAL UNIT IN AN UNMARKED POLICE CAR PULLED HIM OVER FOR NOT WEARING A SEATBELT.
THERE WERE 5 PLAINCLOTHES TACTICAL OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE 11TH DISTRICT THAT WERE IN VEHICLE AND 4 OF THEM EXIT THE VEHICLE RIGHT AWAY, KIND OF SURROUNDING DEXTER REED'S ONE OFFICER BEGAN SORT OF ENGAGING IN VERBAL COMMANDS, SOME OF WHICH DEXTER ATTEMPTED TO COMPLY WITH OTHERS.
NOT OVERALL.
HE WAS NOT COMPLETELY COMPLIANT AND THAT QUICKLY ESCALATED THE SITUATION.
GUNS BEGAN TO BE AND THEN AS WE BEST CAN DISCERN FROM VIDEO EVIDENCE AND AUDIO EVIDENCE AS WE'VE REVIEWED IT TO DATE, IT APPEARS THAT DEXTER, DID, IN FACT FIRE FIRST STRIKING ONE OFFICER AND THEN ERUPTION OF GUNFIRE FROM 4 OF THE 5 OFFICERS ON SCENE ENSUED.
WHAT WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN THAT HE DID, IN FACT, FIRE FIRST?
OBVIOUSLY THOSE OF US WERE UNTRAINED.
>> LOOK AT THAT VIDEO.
IT IS HARD TO TELL.
LOTS OF LOTS OF SHOTS ARE FIRING.
IT'S VERY HARD TO TELL US THAT A LOT OF VIDEO ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE AUDIO THAT IS CAPTURED ON THE VIDEO AS WELL AS SOME REPORTS FROM FROM THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T GET A REPORT FROM DECKS TO READ BECAUSE HE IS DECEASED.
SO THE OFFICERS ON SCENE.
BUT BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THAT VIDEO AND AUDIO EVIDENCE AND BECAUSE OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS BEING AFFIXED TO EACH INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, WE'RE ABLE TO FOLLOW THAT OFFICERS MOTIONS FOLLOW THEIR INDIVIDUAL DISCHARGES AND HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF GUNFIRE THAT IS UNACCOUNTED FOR ON THE OFFICER'S BODY-WORN CAMERA, WHICH IS INDICATING THAT PERHAPS THAT'S TO READ IT.
IN FACT, FIRE FIRST, LOCAL FAITH LEADERS HELD A PRESS THIS MORNING WHERE THEY WERE QUESTIONING WHY UNDERCOVER OFFICERS PULLED SOMEONE OVER FOR NOT WEARING YOUR SEAT BELT.
>> THEY EXPRESS WHAT SOME THINK MIGHT BE A COMMON REACTION.
>> THEY WERE LEAVE.
HOWLING ALL PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW.
IN A CLIMATE LIKE THIS.
>> CHOOSES TO PULL A MEAL WITH A PLAIN CLOTHES.
WIFE AND I >> I'M NOT YOU.
I WAS >> DEXTER REID'S MOTHER SAYS THAT HER SON HAD JUST PURCHASED THAT SUV, THAT HE WAS DRIVING SEVERAL DAYS PRIOR ON, I THINK ALLUDING TO THE FACT THAT HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A CARJACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THOSE HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO'S WELL, WHAT IS THE POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO UNDERCOVER MAKING A TRAFFIC STOP AND PULLING A CART OVER AND THEN EVENTUALLY HAVING TO DROP TONS.
SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK YOU KNOW, HOW TACTICAL UNITS ARE BEING DEPLOYED IN OUR VARIOUS DISTRICTS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC REPORTING AROUND VEHICLE STOPS IN PARTICULAR, IN PARTICULAR, IN THE 11TH DISTRICT.
>> AND SO WHILE, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO MAKE LAWFUL TRAFFIC STOPS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE END OF THE INQUIRY.
CERTAINLY WE NEED TO EVERY USE OF DEADLY FORCE ANALYSIS.
WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VERY MOMENT WITH WHICH WE CAN ASCERTAIN BEST WHEN OFFICERS FIRST SAW DEXTER REED'S VEHICLE WHEN THEY OBSERVED THAT AND WHAT THEIR ACTIONS WERE FROM THAT MOMENT FORWARD ALL THE WAY TO CONCLUSION.
SO, WOW, YOU KNOW, THIS INVESTIGATION AT WAS STARTED BECAUSE OF THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
AGAIN, ANY TIME WE ARE ASKED TO REVIEW AN OFFICER'S USE OF FORCE, IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THAT INCIDENT.
THAT IS ALL THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT WE WILL WEIGH IN.
OUR ANALYSIS, OF COURSE, THE THE WINDOWS OF THAT CAR WERE VERY TENTED.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE FROM OUTSIDE THE CAR WITH THE WINDOW ROLLED UP REID WAS WEARING A SEATBELT OR IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE OFFICERS HAD ANOTHER REASON FOR PULLING HIM OVER THE ONLY REASON THAT WE HAVE ABLE DEDUCE HAS SO FAR IN OUR INVESTIGATION WAS REPORTEDLY NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT BY TAX TO READ.
>> AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT HE WAS KNOWN TO THEM OTHERWISE ARE THAT THAT VEHICLE WAS SOMEHOW KNOWN TO THEM.
OTHERWISE.
SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY NOTICE THAT INTO THE WINDOWS AS WELL.
ALL OF THAT ARE FACTORS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS INVESTIGATORY PROCESS.
ATTORNEYS FOR REED'S FAMILY SAY THAT THE OFFICERS WERE IMMEDIATELY ESCALATING THE SITUATION BY IMMEDIATELY DRAWING THEIR WEAPONS.
MAYOR JOHNSON HAS ALSO STRESSED THAT OFFICERS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN ORDER FOR TO TRUST THEM.
>> AND YOU SENT A LETTER TO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT LARRY SNELLING OUTLINING, QUOTE, GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OFFICER'S ABILITY TO ASSESS WHAT IS NECESSARY.
REASONABLE AND PROPORTIONAL USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS AND YOUR WORK?
SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS UNDER THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES, DIRECTIVES TO OFFICERS.
>> WHEN THEY USED FORCE AND DEADLY FORCE, THERE ARE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON OFFICERS.
IN FACT, AS I ALLUDED TO STATED DIRECTLY IN MY REMARKS EARLIER TODAY AT CPD, HIS POLICIES ON USE OF FORCE ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE LAWS HERE IN ILLINOIS AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
POLICE OFFICERS HERE IN CHICAGO HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE DUTY TO USE DE-ESCALATION TACTICS, AFFIRMATIVE DUTY TO B OBJECTIVELY REASONABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY USE OF FORCE IS NECESSARY AND PROPORTIONAL.
AND IN THAT TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES FRAMEWORK AND WHAT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IS THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES ITSELF ISN'T JUST THAT FINAL FRAME BEFORE OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY CHOOSE TO FIRE.
IT STARTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ENCOUNTER AND THE CHOICES MADE BY BOTH DECKS TO READ AND THE OFFICERS INVOLVED ARE ALL PART OF WHAT ULTIMATELY COMPLETES THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO WEIGH WEIGH THESE DECISIONS AND BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, WE KNOW THAT AN OFFICER WAS WAS WOUNDED.
I THINK IN HIS WRIST IN THE SHOOTING, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HOW HE'S DOING TODAY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE IS RECOVERING AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT.
THESE THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE INCREDIBLY FRAUGHT.
THESE VIDEOS, OBVIOUSLY DEEPLY DISTURBING TO DECKS TO REED'S FAMILY TO MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OFF.
ALSO OUR OFFICERS.
THESE ARE COMPLICATED SITUATIONS AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THOROUGH INVESTIGATIONS, THOROUGH REVIEWS FROM AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY SUCH AS CUP.
OK, INJURED PERCENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
THANK YOU.
>> AND WE'RE BACK WITH MORE FROM HEDDA SHARON.
PLUS, PAIR SHOTS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
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