>>> COMING UP, IDAHO'S HAD A BLACK EYE FOR DECADES AS A HAVEN FOR RACISTS.

10 YEARS AFTER THE ARYAN NATIONS, A WHITE SUPREMECIST GROUP LOST ITS COME POUND IN A LAWSUIT, HAS THAT REPUTATION CHANGED?

AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER HUMAN RIGHTS CHALLENGES WE ?AIS WE'LL TAKE YOUR PHONE CALLS IN A SPECIAL ONE-HOUR "DIALOGUE," NEXT.

THEY TARNISHED IDAHO'S IMAGE FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS.

AND LEFT A STAIN THAT IS HARD TO REMOVE.

BUT DESPITE THE DANGERS -- >> ABOUT QUARTER TO 12:00 A BOMB WENT OFF OUTSIDE MY BACK DOOR.

>> A SMALL GROUP OF HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SPOKE UP.

>> WE NEVER HAVE REMAINED SILENT.

>> AND THEY WON.

>> THE BEGINNING AND THE MIDDLE AND THE ABSOLUTE END OF AN AMERICAN NAZI MOVEMENT.

>> BUT WHAT IS STILL BELOW THE SURFACE?

>> IF WE THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE WE KNOCKED OUT THE TOP OF THE ICEBERG AND BY JAS NO LONGER IN IDAHO, WE'RE DEAD WRONG.

>> HE POINTED HIS FINGER AT ME AND HE SAID "LOOK AT THE TERRORIST."

I WAS BULLIED SO MUCH I EVEN HAD TO TRY TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE.

>> STILL, THERE IS LIGHT.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW HEARTENING IT IS FOR ME TO SEE THIS.

>> IT DOESN'T TAKE A SPECIAL KIND OF HEROIC EFFORT TO COMBAT BIGOTRY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A SUPER STAR, YOU JUST HAVE TO SPEAK OUT.

>> TO BE GIVEN THE HONOR OF LEADING A PURPOSEFUL LIFE IS A PRECIOUS THING.

>> HELLO, WELL COME TO DOIRKS I'M MARCIA FRANKLIN.

>>> YOU JUST HEARD THE BEGINNING OF "THE COLOR OF CONSCIENCE," A DOCUMENTARY I PRODUCED ABOUT SOME OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES IDAHO HAS GAPLED WITH OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS.

TONIGHT WE TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECTS RAISED IN THAT DOCUMENTARY WITH SEVERAL GUESTS INVOLVED IN HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCACY.

AND WE'LL TAKE YOUR CALLS.

HOW DO YOU DEFINE HUMAN RIGHTS, AND WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE CRITICAL HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES IN OUR STATE?

DOES IDAHO DESERVE THE REPUTATION IT HAS HAD AS A HAVEN FOR RACISTS?

CALL US TOLL-FREE AT 1-800-973-9800.

LET ME INTRODUCE MY GUESTS.

HERE IN BOISE IS ESTELLA ZAMORA, CHAIR OF THE IDAHO COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS.

ALSO HERE IS AMY HERZFELD, THE DIRECTOR OF THE IDAHO HUMAN RIGHTS EDUCATION CENTER.

LEO MORALES, THE POLICY DIRECTOR OF THE IDAHO COMMUNITY ACTION NETWORK.

AND HISTORY PROFESSOR JILL GILL OF BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY.

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE IT.

IN OUR MOSCOW STUDIO ON THE CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO ARE TWO MEMBERS OF THE KOOTENAI COUNTY TASK FORCE ON HUMAN RELATIONS.

TONY STEWART AND CHRISTIE WOOD.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DRIVING DOWN TO MOSCOW.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> OUR PLEASURE.

>> AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES IN IDAHO.

GIVE US A CALL IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

TOLL-FREE, AT 1-800-973-9800.

FIRST TONY STEWART, UP TO YOU IN MOSCOW, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU, YOU'VE DONE A RECENT ANALYSIS OF THE CENSUS IN SOME OF THE NORTH IDAHO COUNTIES, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER THE GOAL OF THE AREA NATION -- ARYAN NATIONS, WHICH WAS TO KOREA WHITE HOMELAND, SUCCEEDED.

AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS YOU CAME UP WITH?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS WONDERFUL DOCUMENTARY, BECAUSE DID YOU WHAT I WANT TO SAY HERE IS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PROGRESS AND THE VICTORIES, BUT YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE WORK IS NOT DONE YET AND WE MUST CONTINUE.

A REPORTER CONTACTED ME ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO WITH SOME DATE CONCERNING THE CENSUS DATA, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THE GROWTH OF DIVERSITY IN THE STATE OF IDAHO AND IN PARTICULARLY THE COUNTIES OF SPOKANE AND WASHINGTON AND COOT ANY -- KOOTENAI, AND NEZ PERCE.

WE GREW IN THE LAST 10 YEARS STATE WIDE IN IDAHO FROM A 12% TO 16% MINORITY POPULATION.

IN OUR REGION, IN THE NORTH AND THOSE COUNTIES IDENTIFIED, WE GREW IN VERY LARGE NUMBERS, IN FACT IN THOSE COUNTIES WE GREW WHILE THEY -- THE -- WHAT WE CALL THE WHITE POPULATION GREW BY 12, 13%, THE MINORITY POPULATION GREW ABOUT OVER 44%.

SO MY COMMENT HERE IS, WITH THE DEFEAT OF THE ARYAN NATIONS AND THE TRIAL AND OTHER FACTORS, NOT JUST THE WORK OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS, AND THOSE VICTORIES, THEY HAVE LOST.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BECOME A WHITE ENCLAVE AND WE'RE CELEBRATING THIS SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN DIVERSITY.

IT DOESN'T REECHT SAME LEVEL AS IT DOES IN SEATTLE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT, AND IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR THE MINEH MINORITY COMMUNITY, IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR THE MAJORITY COMMUNITY, AND IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO WHITE SPREMISTS, HAVE YOU NOT WON HERE AND THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR YOU TO COME.

SO WE WERE VERY PLEASED AND GOT A LOT OF PUBLICITY WITH THAT STUDY THAT DI FROM 1990-2000-TWET.

>> LEO, THE GROWTH IN THE HISPANIC POPULATION HAS BEEN STUNNING.

VERY LARGE.

>> VERY SIGNIFICANT, ACTUALLY, FROM 2000-2010, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A 73% INCREASE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO.

THAT POPULATION WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GROW.

FOR THE FACT THAT THE LATINO POPULATION IS ACTUAL LAY VERY YOUNG POPULATION, IN FACT, THE MEAN AGE IS 23.

AND SO AGAIN, WE WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO SEE THE STATE OF IDAHO BE MORE DIVERSE.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO SAY AS TONY MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WHO ESPOUSE THE FEELINGS OF THE ARYAN NATIONS HAVE GONE AWAY.

LET'S LOOK AT A CLIP FROM "THE COLOR OF CONSCIENCE" ABOUT THAT.

>> THE THREE MAJOR WHITE SUPREMACY WEB SITES CRASHED THE DAY AFTER OBAMA ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

IT'S STILL OUT THERE.

AND AS WE PROGRESS AND AS WE GET MORE AND MORE TOWARDS RACIAL UNDERSTANDING, THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO GET MORE FIERY.

>> AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT SYMBOL REPRESENTS NAZI GERMANY.

>> IN 2010, TWO BROTHERS WERE CHARGED UNDER IDAHO'S MALICIOUS HARASSMENT LAW WITH THREATENING THIS HISPANIC MAN IN COEUR D'ALENE, IDAHO.

>> THEY KEPT SAYING, "WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT BEANER, DON'T WORRY, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF HIM."

>> A JURY FOUND THEM BOTH GUILTY.

>> I HOPE IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT THESE KIND OF CRIMES WILL BE PURR ?IEWD AN AGGRESSIVE FASHION.

>> THEN IN 2011 IN SPOKANE, ALONG PAT RAID ROUTE FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY, CITY WORKERS DISCOVERED A BACKPACK BOMB FILLED WITH SHRAPNEL.

>> IT'S UNBELIEVABLE WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

>> A WHITE SUPREMACIST WAS INDICTED IN THAT CASE.

AND THE ARYAN NATIONS HAVEN'T DISAPPEARED.

THOUGH IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE.

THIS IDAHOAN SAYS HE IS.

SO DOES THIS IDAHOAN.

SO DOES THIS MAN, WHO LIVES IN LOUISIANA.

AND SO DOES THIS MAN.

AND AS REPORTER BILL MOORELAND SAID TO ME, IT BEGS THE QUESTION, LT.

REAL ARYAN NATION LEADER STAND UP?

ALL KIDDING ASIDE, CHRISTIE WOOD, YOU'RE A SERGEANT IN THE COEUR D'ALENE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?

DO YOU THINK WE'RE SEEING A REAR IS GENERALS OF MORE CELLS, INDIVIDUAL WHO'S ARE INVOLVED IN HATE ACTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO A GROUP LIKE THE ARYAN NATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD A COME POUND -- A COMPOUND?

>> THERE IS A BIT OF THAT.

EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO BE THE NEXT GREAT LEADER.

FORTUNATELY FOR US NONE OF THEM ARE QUITE CAPABLE.

BUT WE WOULD NEVER DISCOUNT THEM, AND WE'RE VERY WATCHFUL.

I WILL TELL YOU LAW ENFORCEMENT IN KOOTENAI COUNTY AND SPOA EXPAN THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TASK FORCE SINCE ITS INCEPTION, AND ALSO WITH OUR LOCAL PROSECUTORS.

WE'RE ALL VERY STRONG AND WE NETWORK, WE WORK WITH THE FBI, AND WE'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN PROSECUTING HATE CRIMES.

>> THE TRIAL I REFERENCED IN THAT PIECE, THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN WERE FOUND GUILTY, HOWEVER THEY WERE ONLY GIVEN PROBATION BY THE JUDGE FOR A FELONY CRIME OF MALICIOUS HARASSMENT.

WAS THAT A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YOU, TONY OR CHRISTIE, THAT SENTENCING?

>> WE SUPPORT VERY SEVERE PUNISHMENT FOR HATE CRIMES, AND COORD TOGETHER JUDGE HE FELT THERE WAS SOME COMPLICATIONS IN THAT AREA.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT PRISON TIME IS VERY ESSENTIAL.

SECONDLY, THEY DID GET A LOT OF COMMUNITY HOURS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE MONITORING THAT AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE WILL BE SPEAKING OUT ON THAT ISSUE.

BUT, YES, WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE THROUGH INCARCERATION.

>> THERE ARE SOME OTHER MALICIOUS HARASSMENT CASES PROCEEDING IN IDAHO.

THERE'S ONE IN TWIN FALLS AS WE SPEAK.

MUSLIM WOMAN WHO WAS ACCOSTED IN A STORE.

AND THE MAN WHO ACCOSTED HER HAD A GUN.

THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT CASES TO PROSECUTE, BECAUSE VICTIMS SOMETIMES DON'T WANT TO COME FORWARD AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO WITNESSES.

SO THEY'RE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT CASES.

I WANT TO BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK DOWN HERE AS WELL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY PEOPLE MIGHT JOIN THESE GROUPS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COMBINED RESOURCES HERE IN HUMAN RIGHTS, AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT A QUOTE AGAIN FROM THE COIG FROM A MAN WHO CAME ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STATE TO HEAR DAVID DUKE SPEAK UP NORTH AND MR.

DUKE AS SOME OF YOU KNOW IS A FORMER GRAND WIZARD OF THE KNIGHTS OF THE KLU KLUX KLAN, ALSO POTENTIALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012.

>> I'M A SEPARATIST, I ENJOY MY OWN PEOPLE, MY OWN CULTURE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HURT OR OPPRESS ANYBODY.

BUT WHITES ARE BEING VICTIMIZED BY HIGH CRIME, WE'RE LOSING OUR CULTURE, HOMELANDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND NOBODY THINKS WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE VIEWPOINT.

WE DO.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LL SAY WHAT I'M THINKING IN TOTAL PRIVACY.

THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING CALLED RACIST, BIGOTS, AND I SEE IT AS MORAL COULD YOU ARYAN NATIONS GLIS T.J.

SEES IT DIFFERENTLY.

>> SEP TISM IS A POLITICALLY CORRECT WAY TO SAY RACISM.

>> SO PROFESSOR GILL, YOU'VE STUDIED THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THIS SENSE OF WHITE FLIGHT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GROWTH IN MINORITY POPULATION IN IDAHO, BUT WE HAVE TO SAY THAT IN SHEER NUMBERS, NOT PERCENTAGES, SHEER NUMBERS, IT'S MOSTLY BEEN WHITE PEOPLE MOVING TO IDAHO OVER THE LAST 10 TO 20 YEARS.

AND SOME OF THEME I'VE INTERVIEWED LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN, CLEARLY STATE THEY ARE MOVING HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE WITH THEIR OWN KIND, OR THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WHERE THERE ARE MORE WHITE PEOPLE.

YOU'VE STUDIED THIS PHENOMENON.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF SCARE EA TO SAY, BUT COEUR D'ALENE IS ONE OF THE TOP FIVE WHITE FLIGHT DESTINATIONS IN THE COUNTRY, SADLY.

WHITE FLIGHT IS A MASSIVE PHENOMENON THAT FLIES UNDER THE RADAR OF OUR CONSCIOUSNESS.

BUT IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST SIX DECADES.

IT INITIALLY START AS A DIRECT AND VERY EXPLICIT REACTION TO ADVANCES IN CIVIL RIGHTS.

WHERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO PEOPLE WERE GETTING THE RIGHTS TO MOVE INTO NEW HOUSING PLACES AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND SO WHEN WHITE PEOPLE FELT LIKE THEY HAD LOST THE LEGISLATIVE IN COURT BATTLE, THE LAST THING THEY COULD DO, THEY PACKED UP, THEY TOOK THEIR RESOURCE, THEIR TAX DOLLARS, THEIR INCREDIBLE POLITICAL POWER AND THEY MOVED TO THE SUBURBS.

THAT PHENOMENON CONTINUES.

MOST WHITE FLIGHTERS TODAY WHO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS DIVERSITY, WHO FEEL LIKE IT'S THREATENING THE THINGS THEY LOVE ABOUT AMERICA AND THEIR PRIVILEGES IN IT, THEIR BIRTHRIGHT PRIVILEGES, BUT MOST OF THE WHITE FLIGHTERS WOULD NOT ADMIT THAT IT IS A RACIAL THING.

AND YET WHAT THEY'LL SAY IS, I'M NOT MOVING TO A WHITE AREA BECAUSE I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR, I JUST WANT A NICE, CLEAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WANT A SAFE PLACE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN, GOOD SCHOOLS, I WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEREHOUSEING VALUES ARE GOING TO GO UP AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR LAWNS.

BUT A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT SIGNALS THOSE QUALITIES TO THEM.

AND IF THEY WENT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY SAW A BLACK CHILD OR BROWN CHILD ON A BICYCLE, THEY WOULD THINK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE QUALITIES.

THERE'S A RAIN UNDERCURRENT, THIS FLEEING OF DIVERSITY THAT IS PUSHING THIS MOVEMENT.

>> AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IN THE COMMENTS TO TONY'S STUDY THAT HE MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM, SOMEBODY WROTE IN, ASHLEY SAID, "SINCE WHEN IS DENYING A PEOPLE THE TRITE LIVE AMONG THEIR OWN KIND CONSIDERED RIGHTEOUS AND MORAL, NO ONE IS DEMONIZING ANY OTHER RACE FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

OK I, I GET IT, NONWHITE COMMUNITY EQUALS GOOD, WHITE COMMUNITY EQUALS BAD."

SO THERE'S THIS SENSE THAT SOME WHITE PEOPLE HAVE THAT THEIR CULTURE IS SOMEHOW BEING DEGRADED OR NOT CELEBRATED AS MUCH AS MINORITY CULTURES.

ANYONE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT REALLY FEAR IS WHAT -- BIAS AGAINST HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED GROUPS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE -- WHITE SPREM SIS IDEOLOGY, IT'S FRAMED ALONG THESE VERY RACIST LINES, ABOUT WHO GETS TO CALL THEMSELVES AN AMERICAN, WHO GETS TO CALL THEMSELVES A FAMILY FAMILY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE.

>> DO YOU STHEE AT THE IDAHO COMMISSION?

PEOPLE LEANING REVERSE DISCRIMINATION?

>> WE HAVE HAD A FEW CASES OF REVERSE DISCRIMINATION.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND WHERE WE LIVE AND WHERE WE DO SEE THAT.

AND IT IS SO TRUE, THAT THAT HAPPENS.

AND -- I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

IT DOES HAPPEN, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A THREAT.

PEOPLE ARE THREATENED BY MINORITY GROUPS MOVING IN.

AND -- >> ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES THAT IS ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW IS IMMIGRATION.

AND CERTAINLY GROUPS FROM THE TEA PARTY TO OTHERS ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A CLIP FROM THE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND LET'S FURTHER DISCUSS THIS ISSUE.

>> ONE OF BELL'S FAVORITE TOPICS IS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

EVERY MONDAY HE HOST AS PROGRAM ON THE SUBJECT.

>> WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE GET THE CONCEPT THAT WE CAN BE THE CATCH-ALL, THE PAN SEA, AND THE ABSORB-ALL, IF YOU WILL, OF THARVE WANTS TO COME SNEER OUT HAIR.

>> Caller: THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE AND DRAIN US DRY.

WE'RE BROKE!

IF YOU DON'T THINK WE'RE BROKE, WE NEED TO TALK.

>> IT'S NOT A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

BEING ILLEGAL IS NOT A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

BECAUSE IT'S NEVER RIGHT TO BE ILLEGAL.

AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.

THEY'RE SOME OF THE FINEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM DEPORTED.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A RULE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> JUST DOWN THE STREET, ADAM JOHNSON IS DISCUSSING THE SAME ISSUE WITH HIS HIGH SCHOOL GOVERNMENT CLASS.

>> ALL THE CENSUSES AND THE NEW STATISTICS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASING NUMBER OF LATINO RESIDENTS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, AND THIS SCARE AS LOT OF PEOPLE OF TRADITIONAL AMERICAN FAMILIES.

THEY SAY, WHOA.

>> JOHNSON BRINGS UP THE DREAM ACT, WHICH WOULD GIVE UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN-STATE TUITION TO COLLEGE AND A PASS TO CITIZENSHIP.

>> HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAY NO, THIS IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION?

>> SOME OF JOHNSON'S STUDENTS ARE UNDOCUMENTED, AND HE OFTEN STRUGGLES TO KEEP THEM IN SCHOOL.

HE SEES THEIR CONDITION AS A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

>> THERE'S JUST SUCH A DESPERATION OR DEPRESSION, MANY OF THEM DON'T SEE THE POINT TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR EDUCATION BECAUSE WHAT'S THE END GAME?

IT BREAKS YOUR HEART.

YOU WISH THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A PATH THAT THEY COULD TAKE THAT WOULD OFFER THEM THE FUTURE THAT THEY'RE HOPING FOR.

>> THIS UNDOCUMENTED STUDENT WE'LL CALL HER BEE, KNOWS THAT FEELING WELL.

>> BEING UNDOCUMENTED IS LIKE CLIMBINGN AN INSURMOUNTABLE MOUNTAIN.

WHEN I GET TO THE TOP I ALWAYS FALL TO THE BOTTOM.

>> BUT EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT NOT BE A JOB AT THE END, SHE'S GOING TO COLLEGE.

>> COLLEGE IS LIKE MY DREAM.

EVERY TIME I AM DRIVING THERE, I HAVE A SMILE ON MY FACE.

>> DRIVING THERE WITHOUT A LICENSE IS TERRIFYING, THOUGH.

>> I HAVE A VIRGIN MARY AND I ALWAYS PRAY TO HER, OH, PLEERKS DON'T LET ME GO OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, BECAUSE I CAN GET PULLED OVER AND THAT WOULD BE THE END TO ALL MY DREAMS.

>> AS FOR THE DREAM ACT, B THINKS IT'S FAIR.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S NOT REWARDING US, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING F. WE WERE VERY YOUNG AT THAT TIME.

>> THE PARENTS CAME HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT'S STILL MAKES THE CHILD AN ILLEGAL PRODUCT OF THE PARENTS.

RIGHT NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS COUNTRY CAN'T ABSORB ANYMORE ECONOMICALLY.

>> IN THE STATE OF IDAHO THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD BE GHOST TOWNS FILM GRANTS WERE NOT THERE.

>> A FORMER UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT HIMSELF, LEO MORALES NOW WORKS FOR THE IDAHO COMMUNITY ACTION NETWORK, AN ADVOCACY GROUP.

HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AS THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE CONTINUES TO HEAT UP.

>> WE'VE SEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE OF HATE GROUPS RECRUITING ON THE SHIEWF IMMIGRATION.

>> I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT SOMEWHERE IN OUR STATE THEY'RE GOING TO RISE AGAIN AND BECOME VERY VISIBLE AND BEGIN TERRORIZING, AND IT WILL BE DIRECTED AT MEXICAN AMERICANS.

OVER THEM GRACE ISSUE.

>> DO YOU FEEL THAT'S THE CASE?

DO YOU FEEL IF WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE A REAR IS GENERALS OF HATE, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE STARTING TO BE DIRECTED AT THE LATINO POPULATION?

>> STATISTICALLY WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF HATE GROUPS GROWING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

HERE IN IDAHO AS WELL.

A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT DOCUMENTED THE FBI NUMBERS OF HATE CRIEMS GROUPS.

BUT PARTICULARLY RECRUITING ON THIS ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW.

SO IT'S A CONCERN THAT SHOULD BE A CONCERN TO ALL OF US HERE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO.

>> WE STHAW FOOTABLE OF THE MASSES OF PEOPLE, THAT WAS FROM A RALLY IN IDAHO, AND WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS AS WELL.

PEOPLE ESTIMATE BETWEEN 4-10,000 PEOPLE, MANY HISPANIC WORKERS TOOK THE DAY OFF.

TO SHOW AND SHOW PEOPLE HOW MANY LATINOS ARE REALLY PART OF THE COME.

IT WAS CONSIDERED A SUCCESSFUL RALLY.

WERE YOU THERE, AND DESCRIBE THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY IT WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL MOMENT.

WHAT A MOMENT TO EXPERIENCE DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA.

WHEN YOU GOT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 5-15,000 PEOPLE MARCHING ALONG THE STREETS TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE, FOR US, FOR ME IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY IN AMERICA WHEN WE GET TO PRACTICE DEMOCRACY.

>> ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE RADIO HOST AT THE TOP OF THE PIECE, WHY WOULD BEING -- WHAT'S THE HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE IN BEING UNDOCUMENTED?

YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOUR PARENT BROUGHT YOU OR NOT.

WHY ARE HUMAN RIGHTS INVOLVED?

>> THE TERM ITSELF CAN BE EITHER USED TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE INDIVIDUALS.

I WOULD SAY THE FACT IS THAT WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE DENIED DUE PROCESS, WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE BEING DENIED OR THEIR FAMILIES ARE BEING BROKEN APART, WHEN INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS THE STUDENTS ARE BEING DENIED AN OPPORTUNITY OF AN EDUCATION, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

IT BECOMES A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GO BEYOND JUST THE LABELS BECAUSE LABELS HAVE BEEN USED HIS TOSHICALLY TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

>> SO IS IT SIMILAR TO SAY A PRISONER WHO HAS BUREAU KENT LAW AND IS IN PRISON, BUT STILL HAS BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO NOT BE CROWDED IN THEIR CELLS, OR TO GET FOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT, NOT TO HAVE UNDUE PUNISHMENT, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S SIMILAR IN THAT SENSE THAT EVEN IF SOMEBODY IS QUOTE UNQUOTE BREAKING THE LAW, THAT THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE STILL VALID?

>> EXACTLY.

WOULD I SAY THE HUMAN RIGHTS DON'T GO AWAY.

PERHAPS THEY GO AWAY WHEN DO YOU TO HEAVEN OR WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO, WHEREVER YOUR CHILDREN GO, BUT WHILE WE'RE IN THIS PAN IT, HUMAN RIGHTS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND THEY DEFINE WHO WE ARE.

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE ENTERED THE COUNTRY WITHOUT INSPECTION, OR WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN SENT TO PRISON DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'VE GIVEN UP YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> AND YOU AMY, WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS EDUCATION CENTER, DO SOME WORK ON THIS ISSUE, AND YOU LOOK AT THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, WHICH IS CHISELED INTO STONE AT THE ANNE FRANKLIN MEMORIAL.

AND WORK WITH TEACHERS ON TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES WITH THAT UNIVERSAL DECLARATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IN FACT, THE IDAHOAN MOMENTAL IS HOME TO THE DECLARATION SHIEWRKS IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THE FULL DECLARATION IS ON DISPLAY.

WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING TO YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE MEMORIAL ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO USE HUMAN RIGHTS AS A FRAMEWORK FOR UNDERSTANDING SOCIAL JUSTICE.

I DO WANT TO MENTION BRIEFLY TO ADDRESS THE RADIO D.J.

'S COMMENTARY, THAT IMMIGRANT RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS.

AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS MOVEMENT FEELS STRONGLY THAT NO HUMAN BEING IS ILLEGAL AND AS AN ALLY I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL IN CHOOSE LANGUAGE THAT EXTENDS THE MOST HUMANITY TO PEOPLE, THAT'S WHY I CHOOSE TO USE UNDOCUMENTED INSTEAD OF ILLEGAL.

>> ARE THERE ARTICLES OF THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS THAT PERTAIN TO IMMIGRATION?

>> INDEE.D ARTICLE 1314 AND 15 OF THE UNIVERSITY DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS REFLECT ON RIGHTS TO IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIGHT TO HAVE MULTIPLE NATIONAL A LITTLE, THE RIGHT TO SEEK FREEDOM FROM PERSECUTION IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT ACROSS BORDERS.

ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS THAT THEY TRANSCEND BORDERS.

THEY'RE UNIVERSAL, THEY'RE INTERNATIONAL.

THEY'RE ATTACHED TO ALL PERSONS EQUALLY.

>> YOU HAVE LIVED HERE FOR HOW LONG?

>> OVER 40 YEARS.

>> TELL ME AND THE VIEWERS SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WITH THE LATINO COMMUNITY, BOTH POSITIVE AND MAYBE NOT SO POSITIVE.

ARE THINGS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER IN YOUR ESTIMATION?

>> THEY HAVE CHANGED.

WE HAVE MADE SOME PROGRESS AND CHANGES HAVE COME ABOUT.

MY FAMILY CAME HERE IN THE LATE '50s, AND WE LIVED OUT IN CALDWELL, WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE FARM VILLAGE TODAY, BUT IT USED TO BE THE LABOR CAMP.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE HISPANICS THAT CAME TO WORK IN THIS AREA LIVED.

THERE HAVE BEEN -- WHEN WE WERE WORKING, MY FATHER WAS A LABOR CONTRACTOR, SO HE BROUGHT A LOT OF FAMILIES TO WORK UP HERE IN THE FIELD.

WHEN WE FIRST CAME, THERE WERE SIGNS IN WINDOW, RESTAURANTS, STORES, THAT READ "NO DOGS OR MEXICANS ALLOWED."

THAT WAS BACK IN THE '50s, EARLY 'SCIS AS WELL.

WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS FROM THOSE DAYS.

AND THE POPULATION HAS INCREASED QUITE A BIT.

>> DO YOU SEE AS THE HEAD OF THE HUMAN -- AS THE CHAIR OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, DO YOU SEE A LOT OF HISPANICS COMING TO THE COMMISSION WITH COMPLAINTS STILL?

>> WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.

IN FACT THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE NATIONAL ORIGIN CATEGORY.

AND THERE -- >> THAT IS MEANING PEOPLE SANG THEY WERE DENIED A JOB OR FIRED A JOB OR DENIED AN APARTMENT OR WHATEVER -- >> HOUSING.

>> BECAUSE OF THEIR NATIONAL ORIGIN.

>> RIGHT.

AND THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND ALSO I BELIEVE THAT PART OF THAT -- PART OF THE UP CREASE IN THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE AS WELL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN -- WE HAVE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO RACIAL PROFILING IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

I THINK THAT ALSO HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT.

>> DO YOU SEE THE OTHER, DO YOU SEE CAUCASIAN PEOPLE SAYING I WAS DENIED A JOB AND A LATINO PERSON GOT IT TOO AND THEY COME BEFORE THE DISMITION.

>> YES.

WE HAVE BOTH.

>> LET'S TAKE OUR PHONE LINES ARE FULL NOW LET'S TAKE CALLS AND CODY IN IDAHO FALLS.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> Caller: YOU GUYS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PRISONERS HAVING HUMAN RIGHTS.

I'M A FIRM BELIEVER EVERYBODY DESERVES HUMAN RIGHTS, BUT PRISONER IN PRISON IS ALSO BEING PUNISHED FOR THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED.

LIAM ALIENS ARE NOT BEING PUNISHED, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING REWARDED FOR CRIMES THEY'VE COMMITTED.

>> AND WHAT WOUL YOU SEE AS AN APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT, DEPORTATION?

>> WELL, I'M NOT REAL SURE ON DEPORTATION, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT -- THE THING IS, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN COMING TO THE COUNTRY, BUT THEY'VE GOT TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY THE RIGHT WAY.

I'VE GOT FAMILY THAT HAS COME INTO THIS COUNTRY AND ILLEGALLY, AND THEY'VE DONT RIGHT THING AND THEY TRIED TO BE A CITIZEN, AND THEY'VE MADE THAT.

AND THAT'S -- I JUST DON'T SEE THAT ANYMORE.

I SEE THEM COME OVER HERE, THEY WORK, THEY WORK, THEY WORK, AND THEY'VE TAKEN JOBS, AND A LOT OF THOSE JOBS ARE PAID UNDER THE TABLE JOBS WHICH ARE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES, BUT YET THEY'RE REACHING THE BENEFITS.

I SEE SO MANY PEOPLE ON WELFARE THAT SHOULDN'T BE.

IF THEY'RE NOT A CITIZEN, WE SHOULD NOT BE PAYING THEIR WELFARE.

>> LET'S GET A DMOANT YOUR QUESTION.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR CALLING.

>> DEFINITELY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRIDGING UP THE ISSUE.

I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU, WITH REGARDS TO PEOPLE COMING ILLEGALLY.

I WOULD SAY THE IMMIGRANTS WENT TO THE COUNTRY WITHOUT INSPECTION WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH YOU.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM TO THE POINT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE N. ORDER TO GET A VISA TO REUNITE WITH THEIR FAMILY FOR MEXICO, RIGHT NOTICES ABOUT 18 YEARS.

FOR THE PHILIPPINES IT'S ABOUT 24 YEARS.

SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

INDIVIDUALS WANT TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY WITH STATUS, BUT THE SYSTEM IS WHAT'S BROKEN AND PART OF THE -- WHAT MAKES IT HARD TOO IS THAT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT DEPENDS ON IMMIGRANT LABOR, AND MORE EMPLOYERS CONTINUE TO HIRE WORKERS AND RECRUIT WORKERS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

SO AS AS A RESULT OF OUR ECONOMIC STRUCTURE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY NOT -- UP DATING OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, AS A RESULT WE HAD AN INCREASE OF UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE COUNTRY.

WITH REGARDS TO TAXES, AGAIN, WOULD I SAY THAT WHILE THERE IS -- IT'S ACTUAL LAY VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE MUCH UNDOCUMENTED WORK THERE'S WORK IN CASH, THE MAJORITY ACTUALLY WORK WITH DOCUMENTS.

THESE ARE PERHAPS FALSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE ON THE BLACK MARKET, AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE IT WAS A REQUIREMENT TO PRODUCE SOCIAL SECURITY AND A VISA TO WORK, WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED TO SEE A LOT MORE DOLLARS GOING INTO THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACCOUNTS.

TO THE POINT NOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS CREATED A FILE CALLED THE EARNINGS AND EXPENSE FILE.

IN 2005, THIS IS YEARS AGO, 2005, THERE WAS 519 BILLION DOLLARS.

MOST OF THAT MONEY REALLY COMING FROM UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, AND -- >> THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO COLLECT IT.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HIS FEELING THAT IN SOME RESPECTS HE FEELS THEY'RE BEING REWARDED FOR COMING HERE AND NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR COMMITTING A CRIME?

>> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HIS FRUSTRATION.

I HAVE SIMILAR FRUSTRATION WAS THE VERY BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

IT'S A VERY BROKEN SYSTEM.

WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE AS WELL IS THAT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE LOFTS MISINFORMATION.

-- LOTS OF MISINFORMATION.

I WOULD SAY TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT CALD, WE PERHAPS SIT DOWN AND DISCUSSION THE ISSUE.

BUT THERE IS A LEGITIMATE FRUSTRATION TO REALLY GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED.

>> OK, LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HOLDING, DAN IN SPOKANE.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

DAN?

PERHAPS DAN IS NOT THERE.

I APOLOGIZE.

LET'S TAKE -- HI, GLEN.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> Caller: HEM LOARKS THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I WAS -- WHAT'S BEING DONE TO PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS IN IDAHO?

>> OK.

AND WHEN YOU SAY PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS IN IDAHO, THAT'S A BROAD CATEGORY.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'RE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT?

>> NO.

I JUST WANT TO -- >> IN GENERAL?

OK.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

LET'S GO BACK UP NORTH TO OUR GUESTS UP THERE.

TONY, PERHAPS YOU COULD DESCRIBE WHAT THE KOOTENAI COUNTY TASK FORCE ON HUMAN RELATIONS HAS DONE FOR SO MANY YEARS IN THE AREA OF HUMAN RIGHTS, AND IF PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS THEY CAN COME TOWRKS RIGHT?

>> THANKS GLEN FOR THE COMMENT AND THE QUESTION.

OVER OUR YEARS WORKING -- OVER 30 YEARS, AND I REALLY LOVE THE COMMENTS MADE BY YOUR GUEST IN BOISE, LET ME BACK UP TO SAY EXCEPT FOR AMERICAN INDIANS, WE'RE ALL IMMIGRANTS FROM OUR ANCESTORS, AND THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEMS WERE FACED BY THEORY, THE ITALIANS, AND SO FORTH.

SO WE'RE MUCH MORE ENRICHED BY HAVING A GREAT DIVERSITY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST GREAT CULTURAL RICHNESS.

BUT IN OUR CASE, WE WORK VERY HARD AND VERY MUCH CELEBRATING THE EXPANSION OF PROTECTED CLASSES OR GROUP OF PEOPLE.

SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN OUR WORK IN DEALING WITH RACE AND EXPLOR RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, DISABILITY AND AGE AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AND WE EVEN TALK ABOUT SOCIAL ECONOMIC STATUS AS BEING AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC ISSUE AND A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE AS WELL AS EDUCATION.

SO I AM SAYING REALLY TONIGHT THAT AS SOMEBODY SHO A GUEST IN BOISE, WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS.

WE'RE VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE GREAT CHALLENGES AHEAD.

AND THERE HAS BEEN INCREASE IN SOME ACTIVITIES ALL ACROSS AMERICA TO DEAL WITH PREJUDICE AND BIGOTRY AND HATE CRIMES, SO WE MUST UNITE TOGETHER.

LET ME ONE SAY -- LET ME SAY ONE THING WE SAID IN OREGON ON ONE OF OUR TRIPS, WE TRY TO GET COMMUNITIES TO UNITE AND CELEBRATE THEIR DIFFERENCE AND THEY'RE MORE ENRICHED BECAUSE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT CULTURES N OUR TRIP TO JOHN DAY I MADE THE STHAIMENT AS THEY DID IN THAT COMMUNITY, IF WE UNITE COMPLETELY ON IMPORTANT ISSUE LIKE HUMAN RIGHTS AND IF WE CREATE A WALL OF UNITY FLOSS WAY HATE CAN PENETRATE THAT.

>> LET ME JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND, BRIEFLY TO GLEN'S QUESTION, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE UP THERE UP NORTH, THEY CAN COME TO THE TASK FORCE IN CONFIDENCE AND YOU WILL TRY AND HELP THEM WITH THAT AS DID YOU WITH THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE ARYAN NATIONS.

YOU'RE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.

>> YES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

YES, THEY CAN CONTACT US AND WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT THEY CAN GO TO AND IT'S "THE LAST WORD" IDAHO HUMAN RIGHTS.COM OR 208-765-3932.

WE WORK WITH VICTIMS ALL THE TIME.

WHAT WE DO DEPENDS ON THE VICTIMS' WISHES AND NEEDS, AND SO IT MAY BE HARASSMENT OR DISCRIMINATION, OF COURSE WE WORK WITH HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION OF IDAHO.

YES, WE'RE THERE AS AN ALLY TO VICTIMS.

>> AND BRIEFLY, AMY, WHAT DOES YOUR EDUCATION CENTER DO TO ANSWER GLEN'S QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS IN IDAHO?

>> OUR ORGANIZATION IS A STATEWIDE GROUP COMMITTED TO ADVOCACY.

MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER A SCHOOL CLIMATE OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

WE TRAIN TEACHERS, ON HOW TO ADDRESS HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES IN THE CLASSROOM AND CREATE SAFETY FOR ALL STUDENTS.

WE ALSO BUILD THE LEADERSHIP OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ENGAGING IN SOCIAL JUSTICE WORK, WE GIVE TOURS AT THE IDAHO ANNE FRANK MEMORIAL, WE OFFER A SCOPE OF SEQUENCE OF HUMAN RIGHTS LESSONS, AND WE ALSO ENGAGE IN ADVOCACY.

SO WE DO PARTICIPATE IN GRASS-ROOTS LOBBYING AT THE STATE HOUSE WHEN WE FEEL LIKE GROUPS ARE UNDER ATTACK AND HUMAN RIGHTS POLICIES ARE AT STAKE.

>> OF COURSE THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION IS THE GRANDMOTHER OF THEM ALL, FORMED IN 1969.

AND HUMAN RIGHTS IN MANY WAYS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

>> WE DO.

WE HAVE -- WE USUALLY HANDLE BETWEEN 480, 500 CASES PER YEAR, COMPLAINTS THAT ARE FILED.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NATIONAL ORIGIN COMPLAINTS THAT WE HANDLE, WE HANDLE SEXUAL ORIENTATION, THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT COMPLAINTS, WE'VE SEEN QUITE AN INCREASE THERE AS WELL.

>> DISABILITIES AS I UNDERSTAND, WHICH INCLUDES MENTAL DISABILITIES AS WELL.

PEOPLE WHO FEEL THEY'VE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, BEING PIE BO POLAR OR MENTAL ILLNESS.

>> ANY MENTAL ILLNESS.

>> YOU GAVE ME AN INTERESTING SEGUE, THERE WAS QUITE A DEEXPWAIT THERE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IN IDAHO ABOUT WHETHER YOUR COMMISSION SHOULD ALSO HAVE PROTECTIONS FOR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

IN THE ACT ITSELF, THERE -- IT'S NOT INCLUDED.

AND I WANT TO SHOW A CLIP ABOUT THAT SUBJECT AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW HEARTENING IT IS FOR ME TO SEE THIS AND TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE.

>> LAURA WAS NOT ONLY BULLIED GROWING UP, SHE LOST A JOB BECAUSE SHE'S GAY.

SHE WAS WORKING AS A PROBATION OFFICER IN THE SMALL TOWN OF AMERICAN FALLS AND ONE DAY RAN INTO A COWORKER.

>> AND I INADVERTENTLY INTRODUCED HER TO MY PARTNER AS, THIS IS MY PARTNER MARY, AND WITHIN TWO DAYS I WAS CALLED IN IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THEY TOLD ME I WAS UNHAPPY AND THAT I HAD A CHOICE TO EITHER RESIGN OR THEY WOULD FIRE ME.

>> BUT SHE WAS HAPPY.

AND SAYS SHE RECEIVED EXCELLENT EVALUATIONS.

THE COMMISSIONERS WOULDN'T BUDGE, SO SHE CHOSE TO BE FIRED.

>> IT'S PRETTY DEVASTATING TO YOURSELF WORTH WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU AND CAN SOMEBODY TURNS AROUND AND SAYS, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THAT IT WON'T EVER BE GOOD ENOUGH, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

BECAUSE YOU ARE THIS WAY.

>> SHE CALLED A SECRETARY AT THE IDAHO COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS TO SEE ABOUT HER OPTIONS.

>> SHE SAID THERE'S NOTHING WE DOCK, THAT'S NOT A PROTECTED STATUS.

>> FOR YEARS LA FAVOR AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CHANGE THAT BY ADDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION AS A PROTECTED STATUS UNDER IDAHO'S HUMAN RIGHTS ACT.

IN 2011, THE COMMISSION VOTED TO SUPPORT THE CHANGE.

>> I CAN REMEMBER BACK WHEN MANAGEMENT WOULD SEEK OUT SOMEBODY WHO WAS HOMOSEXUAL AND FIRE THEM.

VERY, VERY UNFAIR.

VERY DISCRIMINATORY.

IT'S A REAL FACTOR, I THINK IT STILL GOES ON IN BUSINESS.

>> THERE WERE SOME WHO DISAGREED, THOUGH.

>> WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS FAR AS SEX IS CONCERNED, THAT'S A CHOICE, IT WASN'T FORCED ON YOU.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE LAWS TO PROTECT EVERYTHING OF THE CHOICES THAT PEOPLE MAKE.

>> THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT PROTECTS PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION AS WELL.

AND VEGETARIAN CHOSEN AND CHANGED.

>> DESPITE THE ENDORSEMENT FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONER THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE WHERE THE BILL WAS PRINTED WOULDN'T GIVE IT A HEARING.

>> IT WAS MY ASSESSMENT OF THE COMMITTEE THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO GET OUT OF COMMITTEE.

>> IT'S THAT FEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF?

>> ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTS A CHANGE IS FORMER GOVERNOR PHIL BAT.

THE FATHER OF THE COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> DISCRIMINATION IN THE MAIN CATEGORIES OF HOUSING, EQUAL JOB OPPORTUNITY CERTAINLY SHOULD -- THE GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

>> YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.

WHY DO YOU FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED.

I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE HUMAN BEINGS.

EVERYONE IS A HUMAN BEING, AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DISCRIMINATED FOR ANYTHING, THEN YOU SULD BE ABLE TO LIKE YOU AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, FILE A COMPLAINT AND BE HEARD.

AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THEIR BEDROOMS AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

WE SHOULD EMBRACE EVERYTHING THAT THEY GIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE WORK THAT THEY DO, THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY MAKE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON INSTEAD OF -- >> WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE SAY, IF YOU ADD ONE CATEGORY, YOU KEEP ADDING AND ADDING AND ADDING?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE -- PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IF WE GRANT OR WE HAVE THAT PROTECTION UNDER THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT, THAT IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO MARRIAGE, AND SO FORTH.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE.

>> I INTERVIEWED JULIE DIN DISCRIMINATED EARLIER -- LINDY TODAY, AND SHE'S WITH THE CORNERSTONE FAMILY COUNCIL, A CONSERVATIVE GROUP IN IDAHO, AND SHE EXPRESSED SOME OF HER THOUGHTS ON THIS ISSUE.

LET'S LISTEN.

>> IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF FEAR, IT'S MORE AN ISSUE OF RESPONSIBILITY OF DOING THE RIGHT THING.

AND THE EMPLOYMENT NONDISCRIMINATION AGENTR ACT, WHEN YOU ADD THINGS LIKE SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RAMIFICATIONS.

AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS ARE PRETTY HUGE.

IT'S A HUGE FEDERAL INTRUSION, STATE INTRUSION INTO THE WORKPLACE NOO.

BUSINESSES.

AND THAT'S A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO SET.

ADDING GENDER IDENTITY INTO THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CONFUSING, WHAT GENDER IDENTITY DOES IS IT SAYS THERE ARE MULTIPLE GENDERS, ANYTHING THAT WE WANT WE MAY BE BORN ONE WAY, ALL OF OUR CHROMASOMES, DNA, THE DOCTORS COULD HAVE SAID YOU HAVE A SON, HAVE YOU A DAUGHTER, YET WITH GENDER IDENTITY, WE CAN TAKE THAT AND JUST CHANGE IT AT WILL.

AND DECIDE, I REALLY FEEL LIKE I'M A GIRL BORN IN A BUY OSU BODY.

AND CHANGE THAT.

SO NOW WHAT DOES AN EMPLOYER DO?

WHAT IF THEY WANT TO HIRE A MARRIED COUPLE AS HOUSE PARENTS OR COTTAGE PARENTS?

IN A COUNSELING SETTING, AND THEY NEED A MARRIED HUSBAND AND WIFE?

EMPLOYMENT NONDISCRIMINATION ACT WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT.

WHAT DOES AN EMPLOYER DO IF HE HAS A TRANSSEXUAL WHO CHOOSES TO USE THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM AND HE'S GOT FEMALE EMPLOYEES SAYING, WAIT THIS, IS SCARY TO ME.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I FEEL VULNERABLE.

I DON'T FEEL SECURE THIS WAY.

WHAT'S THAT EMPLOYER SUPPOSED TO DO?

IT OPENS UP A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS.

IT'S A MATTER OF NOW REVERSE DISCRIMINATION, THAT SOMEONE HAS TO CHANGE THEIR BELIEF STRUCTURE, CHANGE WHO THEY ARE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THE ANALOGIES TO WHAT BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH IS ONE THAT I DON'T COMPLETELY BUY, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE RIGHTS THAT ARE FREE SPEECH, FREE ASSOCIATION, DUE PROCESS, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS.

AND SYSTEMATICALLY THROUGHOUT HISTORY AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE BEEN DENIED THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT CHANGED THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE HOMOSEXUAL AMERICANS CAN CLAIM THAT SAME SYSTEMATIC CONSTITUTIONAL DENIAL.

>> THERE'S A LOT THERE, OF COURSE, AND SHE'S NOT HERE TO BE PART OF THE CFERS, BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU, AMY, TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.

WHAT IS YOUR SENSE?

SHE'S SAYING IT'S GOING TO CREATE A REAL ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON BUSINESSES, AND ON BUSINESSES WHO MAY NOT AGREE.

WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY.

>> RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.

AND I THINK FOR CHIEWN 500 COMPANIES WOULD AGREE.

A MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE EMPLOYMENT NONDISCRIMINATION POLICIES THAT INCLUDE THE BEZ BEAN, GAY -- >> AND ACTUALLY AFTER THAT SHE SAID IT SHOULD BE THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO MAKES THESE DECISION, NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

>> WELL, I THINK BOTH THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO THE RIGHT THING HERE, AND WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO AMEND THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT TO INCLUDE -- THERE WAS A PUBLIC POLICY SURVEY IN 2008 WHERE 63% OF IDAHOANS THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE WRONG TO FIRE SOMEBODY FOR BEING GAY.

AND RIGHT NOW IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL IN IDAHO TO BE FIRED FROM YOUR JOB, TO BE DENIED HOUSING, TO BE DENIED ADMISSION TO A UNIVERSITY BASED ON PERCEIVED OR ACTUAL SEXUAL OREN EDUCATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.

EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.

OUR STATE, OUR NATION HAS PROUD HISTORY OF REJECTING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE BASED ENCORE PARTS OF OUR HUMANITY.

>> THE LAST PART OF HER QUOTE, SHE FEELS IT'S REVERSE DISCRIMINATION.

AND SHE ALSO FEELS THAT CONTRARY TO WHAT BLACKS HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH, THAT GAY PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH THEIR RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED.

>> I AGREE THAT HOMOPHOBE YA AND RACISM OPERATE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE FOR THE LGBT COMMUNITY TO COOPERATE A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

BUT I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING SHOULD BE PROTECTED, AND RIGHTS TO FAIR EMPLOYMENT AND EDUCATION AND HOUSING, THESE ARE CORE HUMAN RIGHTS, AND AS AN LGBT IDENTIFIED PERSON MYSELF I CAN'T BUY INTO THE REVERSE DRIS CIM NATION.

STRAIGHT PEOPLE HAVE TREMENDOUS BENEFIT AND PRIVILEGES.

>> LGBT -- >> LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL AND TRANSGENDER.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT JULIE SAID?

SHE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING A CONFUSING ISSUE BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY.

>> IT WAS.

AND THERE YOU'RE GAY, LESLIE FRAZIER BEERNTION BISEXUAL, OR TRANSGENERAL DESH, HAVE YOU A RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING TO BE ABLE TO WORK TO BE PROTECTED IN THE WORKPLACE, TO BE PROTECTED ANYWHERE THAT YOU LIVE.

>> ARE YOU -- >> YOU SHOULD BE FREE.

>> BECAUSE TRANSGENDER IS A GENDER ISSUE, A SEX ISSUE, LIKE BEING MALE OR FEMALE, ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES BEFORE THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED UNDER THE IDAHO ACT.

>> LET'S GET MORE PHONE CALLS IN.

LET'S TALK TO GRETCHEN IN SAND POINT.

>> Caller: YEAH.

I -- I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE WORK TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, BUT I THINK THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT GOOD IDEAS COME FROM PEOPLE WHETHER THEY'RE BLACK, BROWN, YELL LOARKS PINK, OR PURPLE, WHETHER THEY'RE HINDU, MUSLIM, JIEWRKS OR BUDDHIST.

WHETHER THEY ARE GAY OR STRAIGHT.

WE REALLY HAVE TO REALIZE THAT ANY TIME WE CONSTRAIN A GOOD IDEA, WE ARE BASICALLY HURTING OUR COMMUNITIES UNTIL THE SENSE OF BEAK THE MOST PROGRESSIVE, THE MOST ECONOMICALLY VIE EXPABL SOCIAL VIABLE THAT WE CAN BE.

AND I FIND IT KIND OF DISHEARTENING THAT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LET'S NOT FIRE SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY.

WE REALLY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IDEAS.

WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE.

THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING SPECIAL TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE US NOT EVEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH ISSUES OF DISCRIMINATION, I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH CELEBRATING GOOD IDEAS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY COME FROM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CALL.

AND THANKS FOR HOLDING ON THE LINE FOR SO LONG, GRETCHEN, I APPRECIATE IT.

DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT?

>> YEAH.

THE CALLER IS PASSING INTO THIS REALLY HUGE DEBATE THAT WE'RE HAVING IN AMERICAN SOCIETY OVER WHETHER PLURALISM AND DIVERSITY IS A GOOD THING OR NOT.

WE'RE TOLD UNTIL 2042, AMERICA WILL BE 51% PEOPLE OF COLOR AND 49% WHITE.

AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT POINT, WE'RE SEEING MORE FRICTION OVER THIS ISSUE.

SOME PEOPLE TAKE THE POSITION OF THE CALLER YOU JUST HAD, DIVERSITY MAKES THIS COUNTRY STRONG AND GREAT.

IT ACTUALLY WILL GIVE US THE EDGE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE THE FACT IMMIGRANTS ACROSS AMERICAN HIS TRIRKS INCLUDING THE UNDOCUMENTED ONES HAVE ALWAYS MADE THIS COUNTRY STRONGER.

THEY'VE GIVEN MORE TO THE COUNTRY THAN THEY'VE TAKEN FROM IT.

THAT'S A FACT THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY.

BUT OTHER FOLKS HAVE THE OTHER POSITION WITH REGARD TO DIVERSE TO MY RECOLLECTION LIKE PAT BUCHANAN BUCHANAN FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

HE SEES IT AS A THREAT TO THINGS WESTERN CIVILIZATION HAS BROUGHT TO THE WORLD.

THEY'RE WEAVING A NARRATIVE THAT YOU SHOULD SEE THIS AS A THREAT.

SO THAT'S THE DEBATE WE'RE HAVING AS A PEOPLE IN THIS GLIPTS INTERESTING TO ME AS A REPORTER, WHEN I SAW THE FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING IN TO IDAHO, MOSTLY CAUCASIAN, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE HIRING TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND DO THEIR LAWN WORK AND EVERYTHING, MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE LATINO.

SO THEY WERE FOLLOWING THEM, SO THE WORK FORCE WAS FOLLOWING, SO EVEN IF THEY WERE LEAVING LET'S SAY CALIFORNIA, SEEKING A PLACE THAT WAS MORE WHITE, THE WORK FORCE IS MOVING WITH THEM.

WHICH OFTEN WAS A MINORITY WORK FORCE.

SO RECAPITULATING THE SAME SITUATION THEY CAME FROM.

>> CORRECT.

IT'S INTERESTING, EXACTLY THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AGAIN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE ACCESS IS IMPORTANT, SO THE CHILDREN OF THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT'S DOING IN THE GARDEN GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY AND DOLL -- BE ABLE TO MOVE UPWARDS.

WE TEND TO BELIEVE IN UPWARD MOBILITY.

>> I WANT TO VERY BRIEFLY GO BACK TO SOMETHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WAS SAFE SCHOOLS.

AND GLEN'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE TO PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS.

AND YOU HELPED SPONSOR A PROBLEM CALLED THE IDAHO STATE SCHOOLS COALITION.

AND PUT ON EVENTS INCLUDING DIVERSITY PROM AND YOUTH NIGHT, SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT PROGRAM, WHY YOU FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S DOING.

IT'S JUST MAINLY IN THIS VALLEY NOW, BUT YOU HOME TO EXPAND IT.

>> YOU BET.

OUR CENTER IS THE NONPROFIT FISCAL RESPONDER AND FOUNDER OF THE COALITION.

IT'S A STATEWIDE GRASS-ROOTS GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS COMMITTED TO ENSHIEWRG STUDENT SAFETY FOR ALL IDAHOAN YOUNG STERTS, BUT PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO ARE BULLIED OR HARASSED AT SCHOOL.

AND THEMENT SAFE SCHOOLS COALITION HAS A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, INCLUDING ANNUAL YOUTH LEADERSHIP PROJECTS, WE ALSO HAVE AN ANNUAL YOUTH NIGHT THAT BRINGS TOGETHER STUDENTS FROM ACROSS THE TREASURE VALLEY AND REALLY WE HAVE STUDENTS COMING A GREAT DISTANCE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE SALE SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH THEIR OWN STRATEGIES TO BLUNT BULL ILG AND HARASSMENT AND THE DIVERSITY PROMPT THAT'S BEEN POM LAR.

>> SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO START A GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCE THEY COULD CONTACT YOUR DISMOOL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE ALSO OFFER FREE TRIPLE AING TO EDUCATORS AND ADMINISTRATORS ON WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL STUDENTS.

>> I WOULD SAY AS A DOCUMENT TEARAN, I'VE BEEN HERE 20 SOME YEARS, AND WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE WE WOULD HAVE NEVER SEEN GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCES IN THE SCHOOL.

I KNOW TEACH THERE'S WERE FIRED FOR DISCUSSING THE TOPIC.

NOT FIERKSD SUSPENDED.

I WAS RATHER ASTONISHED BY THE GROWTH OF THE 8 PLY ANSWERS, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S A BACKLASH.

>> NOT THAT WE'VE SEEN.

WE'VE SEENT WORK IS TREMENDOUSLY REWARDING, THAT IT'S URGENT, THAT SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE VALLEY ARE JUST THRILLED TO WELCOME AND APPROVE THESE CLUBS.

BECAUSE THEY ALSO PROTECT ALL STUDENTS, THEY CREATE SAFETY AND INCLUSION FOR ALL STUDENTS THAT MIGHT FEEL ALIENATED IN A TRADITIONAL ENVIRONMENT.

>> I'D LIKE TO GO BACK UP NORTH AND CHRISTIE, I DON'T MEAN TO EXCLUDE YOU, WE'VE JUST HAD SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT.

I WANT TO TAP INTO A DMEANT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT -- THAT TONY MADE ABOUT POVERTY.

AND THAT POVERTY AND THE RESULTS OF POVERTY ARE ALSO CARD HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE BY MANY GROUPS.

YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER IN COEUR D'ALENE, YOU SEE PEOPLE RIGHT AT THE NUB, RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE HURTING.

TALK TO ME ABOUT, YOU'RE THE INCOMING PRESIDENT OF THE GROUP, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW POVERTY AND HUMAN RIGHTS INTERACT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU SEE IT AS A POLICE OFFICER.

>> WELL, JUST RECENTLY I -- WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CHILD SHELTERING ISSUES, WHERE WE HAVE USUALLY SINGLE PARENTS, USUALLY WOMEN, JUST THIS WEEK AN HISPANIC WOMAN THAT HAD THREE LITTLE KIDS THAT REALLY JUST COULD NOT CARE FOR THEM.

AND HAD A FEW OTHER ISSUES, MAYBE A SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUE.

AND THE LIVING CONDITIONS WHY JUST HORRENDOUS, AND SO LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTICULARLY IN KOOTENAI COUNTY, IS TOOK A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CHILD SHELTERING.

TAKING THESE CHILDREN, GETTING THEM INTO THE EXPHET WELFARE SYSTEM AND HEALTH AND WELFARE IS TRYING TO WORK WITH THE PARENTS TO PROVIDE THEM SERVICES SO THEY CAN REUNITE THE FAMILY.

BUT POVERTY CERTAINLY PLAYS A LOT INTO THE SITUATIONS WE'RE SEEING.

>> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT?

I CAN, THE GROUP YOU WORK W. DOESN'T JUST WORK ON IMMIGRATION ISSUES, YOU WORK ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AND POVERTY IS ONE OF THOME.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CUTS IN SOME OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAMS AS HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES.

>> DEFINITELY.

WE'RE TREMENDOUSLY CONCERNED WITH REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENS NOT ONLY IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

EVENTUALLY POVERTY ALSO CAN TRANSLATE INTO ACCESS HO.

HAS ACCESS AND WHO DOESN'T, AND WHAT SIGH KELL GETS REPEATED?

WHAT WE TONED SEE IS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN POVERTY, THEIR CHILDREN OFTEN TIMES CAN POSSIBLY GO EXPERIENCE HUNGER, HUNGER COULD TRANSLATE INTO PERHAPS BAD GRADES AT SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY'RE HUNGRY AND CAN'T CONCENTRATE, HAVING BAD GRADES TRANSLATES INTO HAVING LESS OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INTO UNIVERSITY, NO UNIVERSITY EDUCATION, AND IT JUST GOES ON AND ON.

THE OTHER THAT WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT TOO IS THE PERHAPS THE CRIMINALIZATION PERHAPS OF WHAT WOULD I SAY THE CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF ALL MOTHER IS SOMEONE -- DOES HAVEN'T MONEY TO DO LAUNDRY, THE CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES, THE SCHOOL REPORTS THAT FAMILY, CHILD PROTECTION COMES INTO THE SCENE, CHILDREN ARE TAKEN AWAY, THEY GO INTO THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM, AND WHAT WE'VE CREATED, NOT ONLY IS MORE COSTLY FOR THE TAXPAYER, BUT ALSO COMPLETELY TRAUMATIZE THE CHILDREN AND THE FAMILY THAT'S INVOLVED, AND THAT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE IN THE LONG TERM IS WHERE WE CONTINUE TO SEE MORE OF AN INJUSTICE AS WELL.

>> I WOULD THINK LOOKING AT ASSOCIATE MOVEMENTS PROFESSOR GILL THAT POVERTY AND PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER SCARCE RESOURCES CREATES SOME OF THE FEAR THAT FEEDS INTO THE DEMONIZATION OF CERTAIN PEOPLE.

IF EVERYONE IS FIGHTINGER ON A SMALL PIECE OF PIE, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE LIEBILITY TO BE ATTRACTED TO HATE SPEECH AND MOVEMENTS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY, BUT IT PLAY NOOSE SOMETHING AGAIN A LITTLE BIGGER.

IF POOR WHITE FOLKS FEET GREATEST THREAT TO THEIR AMERICAN DREAM PEOPLE COLOR, THEY'RE GOING TO FEET AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RELY TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THE ALARMER ECONOMIC QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE CAUSING JUSTICE FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THERE'S ALMOST BEEN A LITTLE DISCRIMINATED EXPRIED CONWE'RE STRATEGY.

WILL LET ME TAKE A QUICK EXAMPLE FROM THE 19th CENTURY.

THE BIG INDUSTRIALISTS LIKE ROCKEFELLER, CORN GI, THEY WOULD PIT THE POOR WHITE WORKER AGAINST THE LATINO WORKER AND THE LATINO WORKER AGAINST THE CHINESE WORKER AND SO SO, SO THEY SAW EACH OTHER AS THE GREATEST THREAT.

BY DOING THAT PREVENTED THOSE PEOPLE FROM UNITING AS A UNION TO ASK THE BIGGER QUESTIONS.

WE SEE THAT SAME PATTERN HAPPENING AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AND THERE'S PEOPLE CAN USE THAT MITTICALLY.

IF YOU GET THE POOR PEOPLE CHEWING AT EACH OTHER AND FOCUS THEM AND DEMONIZING THEM, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING MAYBE SOME OF THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT ARE AFFECTING ALL OF US.

>> YES RUNNING OUT OF TIME, TO THE CALLERS, PLEASE HOLD AND WE'LL GET YOUR CALLS ANSWERED.

IN A WEB EXTRA.

AND I WANT TO CYCLE BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED, WHICH WAS FIGHT AGAINST THE ARYAN NATIONS IN THIS STATE LED BY THE KOOTENAI COUNTY TASK FORCE ON HUMAN RELATIONS.

AND I'D LIKE TO RUN A QUOTE FROM BILL WASMOUTH ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT EVERYONE HAS ON THIS ISSUE AND THAT LOOKING JUST AT HATE GROUPS MIGHT BE DIVERSIONARY.

>> HATE GROUPS ARE ON THE EXTREME END OF THAT CONTINUUM ON WHICH WE ALL ARE A PART.

IF WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE DISTRACTED BY HATE GROUPS, IT TAKES AWAY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EXAMINING OURSELVES.

THOSE SNIDE AND BIGOTED REMARKS, THE CONTINUING EXISTENCE OF HOUSING AND JOB DISCRIMINATION, THE DEBATE OVER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION THAT TOOL OFTEN IS BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN AND IT'S NOT, THERE ARE PLENTY OF MANIFESTATIONS OF THAT SUBTLE RACISM.

>> TONY STEWART, A GOOD FRIEND BELL'S, THE TWO OF YOU MENTORED EACH OTHER.

YOUR COMMENT ON HIS THOUGHT?

WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT.

YOUR COMMENT ON THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT EVERYONE SHARES ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE TONED FOCUS OTS ARYAN NATIONS AND ON BIG HATE GROUPS, BUT THERE ARE CASES OF DISCRIMINATION IN MUCH SMALLER WAYS.

>> WE'RE GREAT FRIENDS, AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DIALOGUE ON THIS.

WHAT WOULD I ADD TO THAT STATEMENT IS THAT WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL HUMANITY, AND THE ESSENCE OF WHO WE ARE AS A HUMAN BEING AND IF IT'S PROPERLY DONE THEN WE CELEBRATE ALL PEOPLE.

AND ONE OF THE GREAT PROBLEMS OF HATE IS THAT IT'S SO DESTRUCTIVE TO THE SELF-ESTEEM OF INDIVIDUALS.

I'VE SEEN THAT IN MANY CASES THAT.

IS SOMETHING WE MUST FIGHT AGAINST AND WE MUST CELEBRATE WHO WE ARE AND IT'S THROUGH THAT RICHNESS WE'LL ALL REACH A WORLD IN WHICH WE'LL HAVE JUSTICE.

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM THAT YOU'VE PUT ON FOR 25 YEARS, MORE THAN 25 YEARS.

MANDATORY FOR ALL FIFTH GRADE NURSE YOUR AREA TO LEARN ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.

I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THEM.

EDUCATION IS THE ANSWER, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS.

THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THIS WHOLE THING.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THROUGH EDUCATING CHILDREN WE WILL BE A BERT SOCIETY.

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MORE TOLL END THAN PREVIOUS GENERATIONS.

SO I HAVE ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE YOUTH.

>> AND THIS IS MIX IT UP DAY.

WE CAN SHOW A LITTLE MORE OF THE VIDEO.

THOSE ARE STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER FROM ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS IN NAMPA TO ASK EACH OTHER QUESTION AND EAT TOGETHER AT LUNCHTIME.

THE WEBSITE IS UP, BELOW MY FACE, HA THAT MEANS IS PLEASE GO TO THAT WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION.

WE HAVE PUT ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS, WE'VE AGGRAVATED THEM ON THAT SITE AS WELL AS LINKS TO THE GROUPS OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE HERE.

AND MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU ON THIS SUBJECT.

WE HOPE YOU'LL TUNE IN FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DYE DOISMGHT THANK YOU TO MY GUESTS FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.

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